Blog Response 1

Respond to these two questions in the comments section below:

Comparing Italianamerican (1974) and Joe’s Bed-Stuy Barbershop (1983), describe one (1) technique both directors use to construct a particular cultural environment. Examples may come from setting, use of music (sound elements), type of shot, characters, genre, etc.



Referring to Donna Gabaccia and Houston Baker, Jr., explain how Spike Lee describes and positions the American south (Atlanta, GA) in relation to the urban north (Brooklyn, NYC). How is the north/south opposition inscribed upon and what impact does it have on the relationship between Zachariah and Ruth?



17 Comments:

  1. Dwyatt said...
    As far as the similarities go between both of the directors, I think that they both use stereotypes to construct their enviorment. An example from Scorsese's film, is that he opened the documentary up and not one minute into it he asked his mother to make her famous sauce. To me that in itself is a stereotype, because in society today Italians are known for their spectacular sauce and spaghetti. Now, in Lee's film, he went with the barbershop atmosphere, and like Professor Greene said a barbershop is a stereotypical setting for an African-American male in today's society.
    David R. Cobbins said...
    Spike Lee uses music in a very systematic and particular way. The music he uses really sets the mood right from the beginning. The film takes place in inner city New York, and the Jazzy, Bluesy music played isn’t something I would associate with any other setting than a city. Another point in which I realized how conscious Spike was of the music is during the scene with the children dancing in the hallway of the apartment building. Scorsese also uses music in specific way. Whenever his parents talk about the past or we see old photo, very traditional Italian music plays over the soundtrack. It’s the only time the audience ever really here’s anything but the voices of his parents and Scorsese himself. Throughout their film histories both Lee and Scorsese use music to set the mood and enhance the scene. They understand how music can influence the interpretation of what the viewer sees on screen.

    The American south is scene as the past, as the old world. African Americans escaped the old world, and they left for a reason, why should they go back? This is how Lee describe the south in relation to the north, it’s new verses old. In Lee’s film Ruth wants to move to Atlanta where a house was left for her, Zachariah is against this and he tells her he doesn’t want to be a farmer. Ruth want’s to spread out, she want’s space, she believes the city is to constricting and there isn’t enough pace. Through her ideas, and motivation she represents the rural south, Zachariah however, on the other hand represents the cities of the north. Just like the American north and south, Zachariah and Roth are married to each other, but just like the north and the south they can’t seem to get alone, and can’t agree.
    Anonymous said...
    In both films both Lee and Scorsese use character settings to show each characters role in the story. For example in Italianamerican the wife is seen in the kitchen while shes telling her story and the husband is seen in the living room. This particular setting shows that the women controls the kitchen and the food services while the male dominates the area of the living room. In Lee's film the husband works in an area of town that looks poverty stricken representing his in-ability to be the bread earner of the family, while his wife we see working in an office type setting portraying her as the one who brings home the bacon sort of the opposite of the Scorsese film.

    In Lee's film you can already see a difference in the way the two speak to one another. The mans vocabulary is that of a "slang" type lingo while to women speaks properly and with more sophistication in her tone. Also you see the two argue with one another about selling the barbershop a small comparison to the south and north fighting, but you seem them also making a comprise another representation of the North and South thus portraying that neither can survive without the other.
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    Chloe said...
    1. The diegetic sound and soundtrack used in both Italianamerican and Joe’s Bed-Stuy’s Barbershop are coded so that we, the viewers, know what sort of culture will be featured in each respective film. Diegetically, in Joe’s Bed-Stuy’s Barbershop, the first sounds of the film are two male voices that (as Baker states) are “sounding on each other’s mothers and sisters” (p. 2) The music that plays is swinging, bluesy jazz. Baker states that this sets up the film to embody “a collage of black music, sexuality, commerce, and criminality” (p. 2.)

    Italianamerican also achieves this but in a subtler way. The diegetic sound of Catherine and Charles’ voices overlapping in the beginning sequence demonstrates the “separate but together” concept discussed in class regarding Italian-American families. Scorcese uses very stereotypical Italian-sounding music as transitions either between stories or still images. These sound cues alone (although more obviously in the soundtrack than in the dialogue) let the viewer know that they are watching a film about a certain culture. Both in Italianamerican and Joe’s Bed-Stuy’s Barbershop, it is these cues that allow the viewer to better immerse themselves in the world and culture that each respective director is attempting to achieve.


    2. The American south is represented in Ruth, and her need for space to “stretch out.” According to Baker, “Ruth’s ambivalent capitalism and nostalgia…vie with Zach’s blackurban idealism.” Ruth is tired of the urban scene and doesn’t believe that Bed-Stuy is a place worth investing any more time, energy, or money into. Bed-Stuy is coded to represent black culture, and Ruth is growing sick of the inadequacy of it. She wants to live the more American (read: white) dream of space and money. She becomes, as Baker refers, “culturally ambivalent.” It is this ambivalence and “white” desire that pushes Zach to enter the numbers game and give up his idealism. This polarization is represented by geographic location: the urban north versus the American south. The strain of this polarization is felt by both Ruth and Zach in their marriage.
    Unknown said...
    To me the most obvious tool that both directors used to signify their respective cultures was music. Scorsese used an iconic Italian song while Lee uses Soul and Jazz to clearly solidify African American presence. The setting is also used as a medium to define cultural context. Scorsese uses a warm and inviting home (specifically the kitchen and dining room) as a nod to the Italians' family-oriented mentality where the table was used as a gathering place for community discussions. Lee chooses a barbershop, an iconic African American (and southern) setting which, similar to an Irish pub, is sort of a social center and gathering place. Lee starts off with an empty shop giving us the impression of a "dead" or angry community, then once he agrees to run the numbers game the shop is packed with a strong (although probably false) sense of security and communal pride.


    The north is viewed as by Zach as progressive and necessary; it is better to be poor in the north than rich in the south. Zach feels that a move south would be equal to a return to slavery. As a social worker, Ruth sees the worst of the worst every day, and it understandably tired of inner city life. These opposite emotions reveal the major tension in their marriage.
    john said...
    1)Both Martin Scorsese and Spike Lee use characters in their film to create a cultural background. The former's parents, though second generation Italian-Americans, still have deep Sicilian accents--his mother still cooks the Italian way, and his father maintains the aloof, silent strength of an Italian male. Lee uses his characters, especially Zachariah Homer, and his wife Elizabeth as the two ends of the modern Negro experience in the U.S.--Homer wishes to cling to honest,old-fashioned ideals he feels will help him succeed in the end, while Elizabeth is realistic knowing that money doesn't grow on trees, and success comes however it comes.
    AZ said...
    Mr. Scorsese and Mr. Lee both use sound to direct the veiwer into the environment that each of the characters live in. In italianamerican by Scorcese he creates the feeling of a small apartment by letting the sounds from one room bleeds over into the others. This happens when Catherine leaves the room to stir the spaghetti sauce in the kitchen, while in the kitchen you can hear the conversation of Charlie and the crew happening at the same time. Spike Lee also uses sound to create a cramped area in Joe Bed-Stuy Barbershop in the scene where Ruth is visiting a lady who lived in a project building some where in New York. As she enters the building there was a large group gathered right inside the main doors. Lee has the sound of their music overpower everything else in the scene. This use of sound adds to showing the difficulty that Ruth has making it through the crowd in order to make it to where she wants to go.

    #2 The division of north and south views is shown by Lee by the way that Zachariah and Ruth fell about New York. Ruth wants to stretch out and have land to own. While Zachariah feels that all there is to do in the south for work is be a farmer. It is very much the way that Gabaccia describes the view of southerners from both points of perspective(Northerner and Southerner). In these views southerners viewed the south as there homeland but not to describe themselves. While Northerners viewed the south as backwards, uneducated and below their standards.
    Catherine Eller said...
    Part 1

    Italian-American and Joe's Bed-Study Barbershop both have a setting in a home of the main character. It provides the viewers a peek into the personal lives of the characters, how they maintain relationships with their spouses. It allows us to learn more about the characters in the film. For example, in Italian-American, Scorsese filmed his parents in their home and have them tell stories about their experiences as Italians in America. Spike Lee's film showed us the main character, Zachariah, and his relationship with his wife at home. It shows us that the relationship at home is not easy and they are struggling to come to some agreements about the barbershop. Zach kept his manly power over women but still held his pride as a black. These two personal settings showed us parts that help build the characters to help us understand how they handled the situations occurring in the film.

    Part 2

    African Americans were still struggling with racism in the 1980's, the time period portrayed in the film. Most white people don't see it as racism because we often overlook it. The article by Houston explained that Lee's film showed racism with black women and the sexual greed of white men. Lovejoy's unexpected visit to Zach's home, offering a flower to Ruth, hinted at Lovejoy (representing white men) wanting something from Ruth (representing black women). Lovejoy actually has power over the property and the business that Zach did not know about till after Joe's death. That information put Zach in a very awkward situation with Lovejoy. Houston explained how the society in America still permits racism in the workplace where African Americans want to do business, but White men still have control over them. It is a trap that takes advantage of African Americans, exploiting their labor.
    The point of the relationship between blacks and whites was described through the nightmare of Silas. "They just couldn't stand being without that chocolate" says Silas (p. 5, Houston). That statement clearly tells me that white people cannot run society without "slavery". No matter how much freedom African-Americans have, they are still considered below white men. That was prior to the 1980’s. Right now in 2008 it is different, but we will focus on the 1980's and earlier to discuss lee's aspects with Racism in America.
    Dwyatt said...
    Spike Lee describes the relationship between The South(Atlanta,GA) and The Urban North(Brooklyn, NY) as quite different. What I took from his film was that the south was somewhat mellow and maybe even a little slower paced than that of the hustle and bustle of New York. The example that this maybe so is when Ruth stated that she would like to move back to the south, and in response to her statement Zacharia replied in a condescending manner with, "I'm not going to be a farmer." It seemed as if that's all there is to do in the south according to Zacharaia, but in my opinion I think that it was pretty stereotypical to think that, that's all he could have done. On the other hand Ruth wanted to get out of New York because she felt that there was nothing but negativity where they were living and she wanted peace of mind. The fact that they both had opposing ideas of where they wanted to live was an obvious seperation in their marriage.
    amyo said...
    1) Martin Scorsese and Spike Lee both use a variety of techniques to construct a cultural environment in their films Italianamerican and Joes Bed-Stuy Barbershop. Both Scorsese and Lee use the setting, music and characters of their films to construct and reinforce particular cultural environments. For example, in Italianamerican, the opening scene takes place in a home with the Charles in the living room and Catherine cooking in the kitchen. A clearly, Italian style music is heard between shots that feature Charles and Catherine's thick accents. Similarly, in Joes Bed-Stuy Barbershop, the setting of the barbershop, the music heard in the opening scene and at various points throughout the film, as well as the characters of Zach and Ruth, all reinforce the African-American cultural environment of the film.
    2) Donna Gabaccia states in her article that, “if the great Southland was the beloved home place of southern blacks, then the north became their promised land” (p 223) However, Gabaccia points out that Blacks already in the north at the time of the Great Migration looked down on southern Blacks. This idea is echoed in Lee’s film. Ruth is left a home in Atlanta by her family obviously tying her to the south. She thinks fondly of living there and wants to move from Bed-Stuy. Whereas Zacharias seems to view the south as less progressive and a step back from where he is at. This difference in opinions seems to be the cause of some friction in their marriage .
    Steve said...
    When comparing Italianamerican and Joe’s Bed-Stuy Barbershop, both directors use setting to construct a particular cultural environment. In Italianamerican, Scorsese uses his parent’s home as the setting throughout the film. Their home, which is very traditional, gives the viewer a good idea of how the elder Italian generations used to live like and how much things have changed since then. In Spike Lee’s film, which is filmed in an urban setting, we get a good feel of the different lifestyle in the inner city. Also, a lot of the film takes place in a barbershop. Lee wanted the viewer to get a good idea of what life was like for inner city African Americans, so he used the barber shop, which, in a sense, is the heart of the urban environment. It seems like more people come there to socialize than actually get their hair cut.

    Gabaccia explains that even though African Americans are leaving the south to find the promise land, they still view the south as their real home and that they prefer the rural environment versus the urban environment in the north. A lot of the African American culture that we see today was brought up during the migration. When relating this to Lee’s film, it’s safe to say that there is an ongoing battle between Zachariah and Ruth, which is essentially a battle between the south and the north (Zachariah representing the south). During the film Zachariah and Ruth get into arguments because Zachariah is too stubborn to change his traditional ways and cut hair to meet what the current style is. He’s set in his old ways, and he doesn’t want to give in to the changes because he grew up with different values, which coincides with southern traditions. His wife, Ruth, thinks he should cut hair to what the consumer wants, even if he doesn’t agree with it. This relates to the northern urban African American because things are ever-changing and a person must change to fit the times, unlike old southern traditions, where things don’t change as much and people stick to their old traditions.
    Elizabeth said...
    (1) The films that we have viewed, Scorseses’ Italianamerican and Lees’ Joe Bed Stuy’s Barbershop, both directors have used the valuable technique of music to create an alluring cultural environment. The music in the background, is strickly for the viewers of the film and the characters do not hear it (in most scenes). In Scorseses’ Italianamerican he plays some rather distinctive Italian music in the beginning when the title appears. When characters move room to room, you can still here them and whatever they may be doing (symbolizing a small space). And with the environment, Scorsese also shows some very important values of Italians, family (togetherness) and cooking! With Lee’s film, Joe Bed Stuy’s Barbershop: We Cut Heads, he also uses music throughout the film to give a sense of the cultural environment (Soulful music, and a touch of Jazz).

    (2) In Lee’s Joe Bed-Stuy’s Barbershop: We Cut Heads, you can tell rather quickly that Zachariah and his wife Ruth have different views of the south and the ideals it represents. Ruth is rather sick of the city life, the noise, chaos, and general feel of it; she states that she wants room to stretch out. Zachariah enjoys the city life, knowing that all is friends are there, and well, he does not want to be a farmer. Ruth seems to think that the South has lots of possibilities and would be a positive change for their lives together. Zachariah on the other hand, sees moving to the south as a rather drastic and negative change.
    Kyle said...
    Both directors use music to convey a feeling of audience immersion into their respective cultural settings. In Italianamerican, Scorsese uses traditional Italian folk music that brings the audience back to turn of the century Sicily. Spike Lee uses a funk soundtrack while a group dances in the hallway of an apartment building. He also uses jazz (composed by his father according to Aftab (p. 24)) especially at the beginning of Joe’s Bed-Stuy Barbershop to convey a feeling of hopelessness and grittiness of the empty city streets. He uses upbeat funky tunes to give the characters personality and charisma in this depressing backdrop.


    Baker describes the South as a place of nostalgia, where the roots of Zack and Ruth’s existence lie. It’s a place where Ruth feels she can have personal space and stroll down the street to visit friends rather than up twenty flights of stairs to intrude on a suspicious client. Zach feels that the North is a place of opportunity, where racism still exists, but a place where there is money to be made. In Brooklyn, Zach feels he is able to feed on the “Yankee ingenuity” (Baker) that supposedly exists for anyone with a strong enough will to make money. This drives a wedge between Ruth, who wants to move south, and Zach, who wants to stay put in Bed-Stuy.
    Gabaccia speaks of a “second emancipation” that black people thought they would experience when migrating to the north. But although no Jim Crow laws existed in writing, economic struggles and victimization were very prevalent for black people. This is exemplified by Lee in his use of the numbers game in the film.
    Will's File said...
    #1 Well, quite obviously the use of music to convey a sense of cinematic milieu is important to both Scorcese and Lee. In ITALIANAMERICAN - Scorcese uses traditional Sicilian folk music over the opening titles of the film as a form of shorthand - telegraphing to the potential audience the idea that the cinematic "gist" of the film will be in presenting a personalized view of the immigrant experience in America.
    In the Spike Lee joint - JOE BED-STUY'S BARBERSHOP - we find the director using several differing styles of american music to capture the mood of the piece and set the tone for the ensuing narrative. The "one way ride" fate that befalls the title character in the film's opening moments is choreographed to the blaring strains of New York style "soul music". Later in the film, Lee uses black southern style blues to help establish the seemingly hopeless and somewhat seedy milieu of the eponymous tonsorial establishment and its downtrodden new owner - the previously "silent" partner Zachhariah. And, in order to convey the apparent hoplessness of of Zach's quest to run a "clean establishment" - Lee makes ironic use of the sort of "smooth jazz" that send purists in dire search of cotton for their collective ears!

    #2 In JOE BED-STUY'S BARBERSHOP, Director Spike Lee appaears to give credence to assertions made by both Houston-Baker and Gabaccia in their respective articles for the sense of disconnect the Southern Black Diaspora experienced in following job opportunities and moving to industrialized Northern cities. With the character of Ruth Homer, Lee gives voice to the lament of one who remains dispossed and dissatisfied with inner city life nad yearns to return to her somewhat idealized version of the south (Atlanta), and get back to her roots. As Baker puts it, Ruth is characterized by : "...her desire to return to the South and Southern Blues...". Ruth has property back home and for her - the South is seen as a place not only to find safe haven, but also signals what could be a fresh start for her and her "stubborn" husband - Zach. And, after becoming the victim of a purse-snatching, she is ready to give up on Bed-Stuy altogether. Atlanta is seen as a place that will satisfy her own need for "...space in which to stretch out". Favorite quote: "The projects were made for people to go off..."
    Krystal said...
    I found that the two directors incorporated the use of music to further elaborate on the cultures involved within the films. In Italianamerican, I clearly recall the use of classic Italian music playing within the background to condition the minds of the audience that these two characters were in fact true representations of the Italian culture. While on the other hand Joe Bed Stuy's Barbershop incorporated the use of jazz throughout the transitions of scenes, which was in turn supposed to give you (audience) the notion of black culture.
    Krystal said...
    I only caught the last portion of the movie, but what I observed from Zach & Ruth was that Zach initially was more loyal and eager to stay within his current surroundings (being the Barbershop/North). Ruth on the other hand I guess looked down upon the living arrangements, especially after being in the kind of atmosphere in which she was in, where she eventually got robbed. This in turn really fueled her fire to proceed to the South, where life would be better in her eyes. These two states of mind from both Zach & Ruth caused them to clash, and it caused tension as well.

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