Blog Response 4

Respond to the two questions in the comments section below:

In "Class and American Boxing Films" Aaron Baker writes:

"Jake LaMotta's social dysfunction arises from his confusion about his racial, class and sexual identities."

From your viewing of Raging Bull, provide one example (i.e. describe a scene, use of a camera/ sound/ lighting technique) that conveys the protagonist's crisis of identity.

Later Baker writes,

"Rocky and Raging Bull (1980) feature protagonists who believe passionately in their ability to single-handedly transcend social categories such as class and race. Stallone's film endorses that goal, while Scorsese's presents Jake LaMotta as achieving a kind of Christian transcendence for finally accepting its impossibility."

From your viewing and the Guglielmo and Dyer readings, does the film's protagonist fail to overcome these social categories? If so, why?


10 Comments:

  1. Catherine Eller said...
    In Raging Bull, where Jake became over paranoid about his wife, Vickie with other men because of her beauty and ability to get attention. Jake assumed that his wife had affairs with other men for a while, which Vickie never did. He took out his anger at his wife and beating her up and Jake's brother, Joey too. Jake is obsessed with his social class and want to have beautiful wife to himself but at the same time he want to be popular too. He has a lot of social problems and could not control himself. Many parts in the film mentioned him as an animal. In the beginning where Jake and his wife before Vickie were arguing and the neighbor called out and called Jake an animal. Jake as an animal hurt his social class. He may be a champion but he is still an animal. Jake do not see himself, which means he is struggling with his identity. He thought if he could become a champion, things would be better for him. However, that is not what happened.

    First of all, I do not understand the relationship between articles and the film. The articles discussed about whiteness and white people in the society in US. I do not see this in the film. All I see in the film is about Jack La Motta autobiography. If the film was supposed to mention about whiteness, I do not see it at all. The only parts that it may mention about racism is when Joey and Jake used that m...? word (I think it is italian word for eggplant from previous movie). Or how Jake could not get over his fight with a black man and how he won but not Jake. I think the film failed to show a clearer explanation or representation of whiteness in Italian culture in America.
    David R. Cobbins said...
    Jake Lamotta is constantly in doubt of his manhood, his racial identity, and his class identity. The way he deals with the insecurities, using only his fist, highlight his inability to win the real boxing match, which is within him self. Scorsese uses scenes in the boxing ring to illustrate Lamotta’s problems with his racial identity. When Jake is defeated for the last time and loses his title to Sugar Ray, we are given Lamotta’s gaze of a black male. The image we see is that of darkness and fear. Ray is portrayed almost as a monster, as an animal as he punches Lamotta. This is in direct contrast to the way see Ray portrayed when not seeing him through a beaten Lamotta’s eyes. In defeat Lamotta see’s Ray as animal. Lamotta is consistently trying to prove he’s not just an “animal”, so what does this say about Lamotta’s racial identity, being that Ray is black and a Lamotta is white.


    I believe Lamotta fails to overcome his social categories to which he’s trapped in. Throughout the film he wants to win the title his way, the honest way. However the only reason he gets a title shot is because he took a fall in a fight for the mafia. He breaks the vow he made to himself and is unable to transcend his social class like Rocky was. Before the fall we see him breaking through, but after the fall, even though he later wins the title, he’s never the same person. What we witness is someone who begins to climb the latter, makes it to the top and then plummets to the ground. At the end of the movie Lamotta is pretty apathetic about his life and think it’s a joke. He’s alone, with no wife, no children, no brother, no title, and no money. He didn’t make it to the top like Rocky, he failed.
    ash said...
    Jake is a paranoid person and all due to his own actions. The scene that best describes this is not one scene in particular, but the whole movie in fact. He met his wife through promiscuous actions thus he always assumes she will continue to do the same things she did with him before they were married with other men. He even attacks his own brother for believing that he actually slept with his wife. His paranoid actions ruin not only his marriage, but his relationship with his brother and children. After his wife leaves him he collapses even more and goes into ruin.

    In the movie i dont see any social categories being overcome. I dont see him trying to over come racial boundries or financal money. The movie didnt seem to me about anything except his own personal demons and inner conflicts.
    Will's File said...
    Jake LaMotta, or at least the vision of LaMotta that Scorcese presents to us is one seriously confused and paranoid individual. And "paranoid" only scratches the surface of his myriad social dysfunctions. Just as well that he has a job in which he can workout of his dysfunctions and frustrations by beating his boxing opponents to pulp! His jealousy over his paramour - Vickie - is deeply rooted in one of Scorcese's pet themes - The infamous Madonna/Whore complex. He is able to seduce Vickie - therefore - once he has married her, he cannot help but envision her displaying the same level of promiscuity with every other man she comes into contact with. She need only mention in passing that she considers his latest opponent in the ring to be handsome - and Jake springs into action in the ring - working out his fears of sexual inadequacy and self-loathing by reducing his opponent's face to a plate of hamburger. Of course, it is in his continuous matches with his nemesis and 'great black hope' - Sugar Ray Robinson - that we see the race card being played. Jake comes to regard Robinson as his equal in the ring, even if he can never admit to his being equal to him as a human being. He even takes a brutal beating from the man in their final bout - clearly outclassed - yet nevertheless he goes the distance - telling Robinson that "You never got me down, Ray, do you hear me? Never got me down!" His "Christian transcendence" comes in realizing that while he cannot beat his opponent - as long as he remains on his feet until the final bell - he will not "lose face". His final transformation comes from that scene in solitary confinement - where Jake takes his self-loathing and his propensity for martyr-like self-inflicted punishment to the Nth degree and tenderizes his fists with a concrete wall.
    Kyle said...
    Toward the end of the movie, Jake is thrown in jail (solitary confinement) for allowing a 14-year-old prostitute to operate in his bar. In this scene, Jake breaks down emotionally in his jail cell in a fit of dysfunction. Reality hits him and he is left thinking of his failures as a husband, father, brother, and boxer/celebrity. As he spends his time in solitary confinement, he has nobody but himself to take his anger out on. He no longer has his brother, his wife, or his opponent in the ring to quell his rage. In the dimly lit room he pounds his head and fists into the wall in a helpless rage, then breaks down crying as he finally realizes his hopeless fate.


    Unlike Rocky, Raging Bull isn’t a “pull yourself up from your bootstraps” type film. His rise and fall is depressing as he never quite pulls himself up again like Rocky. Jake frequents classy nightclubs after he has success in the boxing world, but he never quite overcomes his lower class upbringing. He seems uncomfortable in this scene and has problems interacting with powerful figures who could help him get a shot at the Middleweight title. His initial refusal to accept help from the mob boss and his blatant defiance against him, shows his failure and refusal to attempt to rise in social standing.
    Steve said...
    Jake LaMotta faces a crisis of identity throughout the film when he deals with his jealousy and insecurity issues about his with his wife cheating on him. Throughout the movie, LaMotta faces trust issues because he’s afraid that his wife will leave him for a man with more money and/or class than himself. His identity is being threatened because he is trying to be somebody he’s not, which is a classy individual. He can’t handle the pressure of trying to be somebody he’s not so he takes out all of his anger and aggression in the boxing ring. This ties in with his social category as an Italian American prizefighter. He’s just trying to make as much money as he can in a time when money doesn’t come easy. That’s really all he is though, he doesn’t have a drive to do anything else. (Besides maybe party a lot and control everybody in his life) I think in the end he finally realizes who he is and stops trying to fight it, and that’s when he finds peace in himself.
    amyo said...
    A scene in Raging Bull where Jake conveys an identity crisis is when he is complaining to his brother about having “little girl’s hands”. This not only reveals his fears of his own femininity as Friedkin points out in Casillo’s Gangster Priest, but also challenges his identity and aspirations as a boxer. He wants to be the best and even states that he can beat Joe Louise, the champion in a higher weight class. However, his insecurity over the size of his hands shows his real feelings of inferiority. Back to the issue of femininity, Jake follows this conversation with his brother by demanding that Joey punch him as hard as he can. Seemingly, the purpose of this was to then prove his toughness and machismo to cover and disprove his previous thoughts of inferiority and feminism.

    As for whether or not Jake overcame class and race social categories, I don’t think so. For one, the issue of race was not brought to the forefront as a problem faced by Jake. However, my understanding of this is based on the idea of race as a color category. If, however, I look at his race as suggested in Guglielmo’s piece as Southern Italian American and not color specific, that changes things a little. Although race and class did not seem to be as important an issue as Jake’s inner conflict, they still were represented in the film. However, I don’t think Jake’s character overcame these social categories. Despite his resistance to do business with the mob, he still circulated and was a part of the Italian-American community. He visited places such as the dance hall and Copacabana that were frequented by Italian-Americans. As for class categories, we see him rise in the terms of his wealth, but then see him lose it all. Despite his success in boxing he never saw himself as deserving and as a result created the chaos in his life that caused him to lose everything.
    Elizabeth said...
    Jake LaMotta is rather unsteady with regards to his identity and how he carries on in his life. I can not really pick just one scene that shows his uncertainties with social dysfunction… rather several tiny bits throughout the film. The major portion of the film that shows conflicts with his own identity is his relationship with his second wife, Vickie. When LaMotta first saw her, he knew that he needed to impress her to get her to really like him – right off the bat that is strange. He gets his brother to introduce her and they both impress her with his really big, nice car. LaMotta knows of her past, and how many have courted her – well when they marry and start a family he automatically believes that she is indeed continuing to have outside relationships. This of course is untrue, but he reads into too much when old friends or even his brother say hello. Another dysfunction I see, is that when he retires from boxing, he does not simply retire from everything, he still wants to be in the spotlight. So he sets up a club named after himself and when that fails he continues to do his “comedy” routine at a hole in the wall bar. Its rather strange that he can never be content in life – yes it is great to be trying to win the boxing title and all that, but he is not a comedian, he seems willing to do anything to stay on top (but he is no longer on top – that is the problem).
    Lamotta’s character is once on top, but he never gets back there – Rocky did. I did not recognize any conflicts with race (yes he did fight Sugar Ray Robinson – but I didn’t see that as a racial issue) or class/financial standing. He seemed as if he did not want to change his ways – he thought he was the best – and it was his way or nothing. He did not want to take any crap from anybody; he saw things that were not there (Vickie cheating) and failed to change his views, so she left him. To me, he did not really overcome anything; he was a great boxer but let it all go.
    Dwyatt said...
    A seen in "Ragin Bull" where I see Jake question his class is when him and his first wife are having an argument in their apartment and one of the neighbors yells up, "quit being an animal." Jake gets irate about being called an animal and loses his temper. I think deep down inside he does feel a little insecure about himself as a man. He continually interogates his second wife about cheating on him with absolutely not an ounce of evidence. He clearly suffers from low self-esteem. As far as, Jake questioning his sexuality, I'm not sure I noticed that in the movie. To me it seemed as if he was a womanizer. Maybe, that was his cover up.
    From the readings of Guglielmo, I feel that Jake could have succeeded with his in overcoming the social categories but did not fully because he let his impatience and self pitty get in the way of his goals.
    Chloe said...
    The scene where La Motta is fighting Janiro is very telling of La Motta’s identity in crisis. The camera gets the close-up of the first punch by La Motta that destroys Janiro’s “pretty” face. It is an extreme close-up and time is slowed down to show the blood pour from the hit. It repeats shots like this, a direct punch, slowed down, and the carnage of the hit. The shots are excessive, the same way that the force in the hits is excessive. It is as if La Motta has something to prove, to show that he is “the bigger man” and the camera’s close-ups and slowness of time emulate this.

    I don’t think that La Motta grew at all in the film. He did not transcend and see past the insecurities he displayed in the beginning of the film. The only regret he had ever showed was when he saw his brother Joey come out of the market and ignore him. Even then, he was still full of bravado. I disagree that La Motta’s character ever transcended anything. He still performed at the end of the film, while not in the ring but at night clubs. The material was still based on him being a middleweight champion. Stagnancy would be a more appropriate term rather than transcendence.

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